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If someone steals a bike and then gifts it to you that doesn’t mean the owner can’t have it back just because you didn’t steal it. Same for copyright.

#1392​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Not like signing NDA since you are free to talk about the ideas in the book in your own words, but kinda like breach of contract yeah.

#1391​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Lol no, I'm trying to understand your point. You're saying that buying a book is a bit like signing an NDA, where I can be held liable for breach of contract if I disclose information. Did I get that right?

#1389​·​Amaro Koberle revised about 1 year ago​·​Original #1388​·​CriticismCriticized1

Lol no, I'm trying to understand your point.

#1388​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

If you’re looking for someone to assuage your guilt over having pirated copyrighted content in the past, you won’t get that from me.

#1387​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

So it's not me who's pirating the book that is violating her right. It's whoever uploaded it for me to download it, right?

#1386​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized2

Ok let’s rewind the clock and say JK Rowling has finished writing Harry Potter but she hasn’t published it yet.

And she says: I’m going to publish and sell this book on condition that anyone who buys it not distribute it further. They can read it but they can’t redistribute it without my permission.

Those are the terms of publication. It’s a contract. And anyone who buys the book is then bound by the contract.

She would not publish the book otherwise.

She created a value and she wants to trade that value for something specific (money in exchange for reading, not redistributing).

Others are free to take her up on the offer or ignore her.

#1385​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Okay so without referring to current legislation. I understand that it is currently illegal, just like tax evasion, but that won't go far in persuading me that it isn't right.

#1384​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Because she owns the copyright.

#1383​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Why am I violating her rights?

#1382​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

agreed

#1381​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago

Your perspective on whether she loses anything really doesn’t matter. That’s the same even for cold hard property. If I exchange your tic tacs for $1,000,000 without your consent, you only win, you didn’t lose, but it’s still theft.

#1380​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

You’re violating her rights: specifically, her copyright. That’s an aggression.

#1379​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Why? I don't get that. She's not losing anything.

#1378​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized2

Yes.

#1377​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Credit is a different matter from copyright. Plagiarism and copyright infringement aren’t the same thing.

#1376​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

Am I committing aggression against JK Rowling if I pirate a PDF copy of Harry Potter?

#1375​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

I should be clear though that it is only right for the law to interfere with property to protect others’ rights. It’s not right for the law to confiscate your money to collect taxes, say.

#1374​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago

true!

#1372​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago

So… the law extending to others’ property is nothing new and not totalitarian in and of itself.

#1371​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago

exactly

#1370​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago

Right, like preventing you from murdering them.

#1369​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago

Maybe? Kinda? Not sure.

You don't get to use your knife to aggress on others, that much is clear. So perhaps this can be understood as a right of others to do certain things with your property.

#1368​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago

Some people abuse the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law, but that doesn’t mean the corresponding laws are bad per se. Those are problems, errors that can be corrected.

#1367​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 1 year ago​·​Criticism

I can also think of ways this could be misused.

#1366​·​Amaro Koberle, about 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized2