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Well, if you were to open the letter anyway, and somebody criticized you for it, you could offer the following counter-criticisms: 1) you cannot be expected to adopt an idea while being prevented from entertaining it; 2) somebody constructed a situation designed to abuse the literal content of the two rules in #2140 in order to violate their intention, which is to promote critical thinking and rationality; 3) just because ideas have no pending criticisms doesn’t mean you don’t get to question those ideas – otherwise no one could ever submit a first criticism.

#2197​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea, and it has a note attached to it stating that it contains such a criticism. Should I open the letter? Assume that it has no pending counter-criticisms. Have we constructed an unreadable letter?

#2195​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2175​·​CriticismCriticized1

Make a reasonable effort to make the criticism explicit so it can be brought into direct conflict with the idea and examined further.

#2194​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​Criticized1

What if I have an inexplicit criticism of the idea?

#2191​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea, and it has a note attached to it stating that it contains such a criticism. Should I open the letter? It has no pending counter-criticisms, after all. Have we constructed an unreadable letter?

#2186​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2175​·​CriticismCriticized1

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea, and it has a note attached to it stating that it contains such a criticism. Should I open the letter? It has no pending counter-criticisms, after all.

#2184​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2175​·​CriticismCriticized1

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea. Should I read it?

#2179​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2175​·​CriticismCriticized2

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea. What do I do?

#2177​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2175​·​CriticismCriticized1

How about I have one known idea: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea. What do I do?

#2175​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized2

You’d know it’s a DDoS long before reviewing all the contents. That amount of criticism in a short time is suspicious, so you’d investigate for signs of coordination. Companies investigating actual DDoSes don’t need to review every single request to know they’re being DDoS’ed. And no reasonable person could blame them if a few good requests get dropped during their defense efforts.

#2174​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

But how do I know that’s what’s going on before I get through the content of the 1000 criticisms or whatever. There could be a valid one in there! Maybe from someone unaffiliated with the attack.

#2173​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

How do you not make yourself vulnerable to DDoS attacks on your life and actions under this system?

#2171​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Veritula should have some way to indicate agreement; some way to indicate that a particular thread of a discussion is resolved, at least for the time being.

#2169​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2156​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

That only happens if people submit bulk ideas, and people shouldn’t do that anyway.

#2167​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Reactions can be ambiguous. It wouldn’t always be clear which part of an idea someone is reacting to.

#2166​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Revisions are complicated. Too many options (superseding a previous version, ‘Is criticism?’, unchecking comments). It might help to have a more guided processes with multiple screens.

#2162​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Reactions could be limited to the recipient of a comment.

#2161​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized3Archived

People could wrongly think they have epistemological relevance. For example, they might adopt an idea that has pending criticism just because it got positive reactions.

#2160​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized2Archived

Maybe somebody just forgot to reply or doesn’t know what to say.

#2158​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

If there’s no criticism, that implies agreement.

#2157​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Veritula should have some way to indicate agreement.

#2156​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

By the time someone receives an email notification, they will probably have forgotten whatever they wrote originally that prompted someone to reply to them.

#2155​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Well, Tom wouldn’t do it anyway because he’s British.

#2146​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

That would be self-coercive.

#2143​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 11 months ago​·​Criticized1

Decision-Making on Veritula

Expanding on #2112

If an idea has no pending criticisms, it’s rational to adopt it and irrational to reject it. What reason could you have to reject it? If it has no pending criticisms, then either 1) no reasons to reject it (ie, criticisms) have been suggested or 2) all suggested reasons have been addressed already.

If an idea does have pending criticisms, it’s irrational to adopt it and rational to reject it – by reference to those criticisms. What reason could you have to ignore the pending criticisms and adopt it anyway?

#2140​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 11 months ago​·​Original #2117​·​Criticized1