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#1863·Dennis Hackethal, about 2 months agoIn light of (at the time of writing) three outstanding criticisms of your new terminology (#1630), what do you plan to do, if anything?
Some ideas: if you disagree with the criticisms, we could discuss further; if you agree, we could come up with ways to correct the error, like (just spitballing here) revising your terminology going forward or posting disclaimers on previous publications.
Either way, it would be good to reach some sort of conclusion.
Thanks for the reminder! Yes, I agree it’s good to strive for some form of resolution. My current take is that I’m still satisfied with Intuitions and Drives as more accessible labels. But the shortcomings you’ve raised in Statement are severe, and I hope to find a better alternative. Unfortunately, I haven’t had much success on my own. I’ll share my current thoughts here — perhaps we can continue exploring alternatives for Statement if you think that’s worthwhile. If, however, you believe all three labels are a mistake and that it’s irrational for me to pursue them, I of course understand if you’d prefer not to continue the discussion.
Problems with Statement
1) By definition a statement is a verbalized expression, whereas explicit knowledge doesn’t need to be verbalized. It just needs to be verbalizable. Calling it a Statement is confusing, as people might think it must be verbalized, while my point is simply that it can be verbalized.
2) It also carries the figurative meaning of “making a statement” through non-verbal actions (e.g., wearing a certain outfit, defying a social norm), which causes confusion, as you pointed out in #1700.
3) You say that statements don’t necessarily need to contain knowledge (see #1806), but can also be trivial or tautological. While I agree, I don’t see this as a relevant criticism of my labels, since in my book and video I define them as types of knowledge — not as trivial utterances or noise.
Given these problems, I’ve tried to find a more suitable word. The only candidate I’ve found so far is Formulations. It conveys explicitness, but it doesn’t fully address problem 1), since it still carries the connotation of being expressed rather than merely expressible.
Curious to hear your thoughts, as always.
#1700·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months agoMy dictionary app says for ‘statement’ (bold emphasis mine):
the expression of an idea or opinion through something other than words: their humorous kitschiness makes a statement of serious wealth.
That’s the opposite of what you mean. Another reason not to introduce new terms.
Interesting. Yes, you’re right that statement is also used figuratively—for example, in the phrase “making a statement”, where it means expressing something without words.
But the more literal definition is a clear expression in words:
Oxford English:
a definite or clear expression of something in speech or writing.
Nevertheless, I think your criticism is valid: statement could indeed be misinterpreted in different ways, depending on the context.
I don’t take this personally, and I understand your intention isn’t to attack or belittle. To keep our exchange enjoyable and productive, I’ll make an effort to be more attentive to spelling, terminology, and precision. That said, I’m generally less concerned with exact spelling or perfect terminology, since my focus is usually on parsing the meaning or reasoning behind a theory or criticism. I try to be as charitable as possible in interpreting what someone is trying to say, focusing on the intended idea rather than the precise wording. Still, I recognize that clarity of wording may matter more to others—especially in discussions—so I’ll do my best to be more precise.
I don’t take this personally, and I understand your intention isn’t to attack or belittle. To keep our exchange enjoyable and productive, I’ll make an effort to be more attentive to spelling, terminology, and precision. That said, I’m generally less concerned with exact spelling or perfect terminology, since my focus is usually on parsing the meaning or reasoning behind a theory or criticism. I try to be as charitable as possible in interpreting what someone is trying to say, focusing on the intended idea rather than the precise wording. Still, I recognize that clarity of wording may matter more to others—especially in discussions—so I’ll do my best to be more precise.
#1731·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months agoYour new comment notwithstanding, I invite you to be more critical of your English. I’ve pointed out several issues already (which, to your credit, you did fix), and you’ve since made more mistakes (eg see #1729, and in a recent DM you wrote “criticizems”). A typo of that magnitude plausibly indicates deeper issues.
Again, I don’t mean to get too personal here – forgive me if that’s how it comes across.
I think this is off-topic because my carelessness that caused my typos had no effect on my choice of new terminology. (Derived from your suggestion in #1808)
#1909·Zelalem Mekonnen revised about 2 months ago@dennis-hackethal Damn. I didn't know that. But if I understand it, 'few' means not many, and 'a few' means something like five or 6. I have a few close friends.
Great, looks like you learned something new. You’ve found a bit of truth :)
Damn. I didn't know that. But if I understand it, 'few' means not many, and 'a few' means something like five or 6. I have a few close friends.
@dennis-hackethal Damn. I didn't know that. But if I understand it, 'few' means not many, and 'a few' means something like five or 6. I have a few close friends.
#1902·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoYou’ve since made the change to “a few changes” (as of #1894) but I think that change was premature.
Don’t make changes you don’t understand. Take questions literally and answer them.
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/The-Difference-Between-Few-and-A-Few-
Damn. I didn't know that. But if I understand it, 'few' means not many, and 'a few' means something like five or 6. I have a few close friends.
#1889·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 2 months agoShould I be showing the comment form by default on
ideas#show?To avoid scrolling past content, I could remove the autofocus on the textarea unless a certain query parameter is given.
Done as of b423e18.
I could turn the ‘Revise…’ button into an icon button that lives next to the collapse icon button. It could just have a pencil for an icon.
That way, the button wouldn’t need to be hidden anymore.
As of acb14e3, the revision button is an icon button that lives next to the collapse icon button.
Therefore, the button doesn’t need to be hidden anymore.
#1891·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoI could turn the ‘Revise…’ button into an icon button that lives next to the collapse icon button. It could just have a pencil for an icon.
That way, the button wouldn’t need to be hidden anymore.
Done as of acb14e3.
#1898·Zelalem Mekonnen, about 2 months agoWhat if, at that time, the best idea one has is the false idea?
The idea is not good if it has outstanding criticisms.
Don’t worry about which ideas are better than others. That’s a remnant of justificationism. Only go by whether an idea has outstanding criticisms.
#1885·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months ago… made few changes.
Did you mean to say ‘a few changes’?
Do you know what the difference is?
You’ve since made the change to “a few changes” (as of #1894) but I think that change was premature.
Don’t make changes you don’t understand. Take questions literally and answer them.
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/The-Difference-Between-Few-and-A-Few-
I went over it first and made few changes. After that, Grammarly recommended that I remove the 'a' before 'criticism' and to remove the 'they are'.
I went over it first and made a few changes. After that, Grammarly recommended that I remove the 'a' before 'criticism' and to remove the 'they are'.
#1897·Zelalem Mekonnen revised about 2 months agoIf I understand Veritula correctly, we first start with an idea. We accept that idea as true until it receives criticism. The idea is considered false until all criticism is resolved. Since the goal is to live a rational life, we wouldn't act in accordance with that idea. We don't submit bulk ideas or criticisms. Ideas (including criticisms), even if related, should generally be submitted separately. Also, avoid duplicate ideas.
What if, at that time, the best idea one has is the false idea?
If I understand Veritula correctly, we first start with an idea. We accept that idea as true until it receives criticism. When it has received criticism and until the current criticism is resolved, that idea is seen as false. Since the goal is to live a rational life, we wouldn't act in accordance with that idea. We don't submit bulk ideas or criticisms. Ideas (including criticisms), even if related, should generally be submitted separately. Also, avoid duplicate ideas.
If I understand Veritula correctly, we first start with an idea. We accept that idea as true until it receives criticism. The idea is considered false until all criticism is resolved. Since the goal is to live a rational life, we wouldn't act in accordance with that idea. We don't submit bulk ideas or criticisms. Ideas (including criticisms), even if related, should generally be submitted separately. Also, avoid duplicate ideas.
If I understand Veritula correctly, we first start with an idea. We accept that idea as true until it has received criticism. When it has received criticism and until the current criticism is resolved, that idea is seen as false. Since the goal is to live a rational life, we wouldn't act in accordance with that idea. We don't submit bulk ideas or criticisms. Ideas (including criticisms), even if related, should generally be submitted separately. Also, avoid duplicate ideas.
If I understand Veritula correctly, we first start with an idea. We accept that idea as true until it receives criticism. When it has received criticism and until the current criticism is resolved, that idea is seen as false. Since the goal is to live a rational life, we wouldn't act in accordance with that idea. We don't submit bulk ideas or criticisms. Ideas (including criticisms), even if related, should generally be submitted separately. Also, avoid duplicate ideas.
#1894·Zelalem Mekonnen revised about 2 months agoI went over it first and made a few changes. After that, Grammarly recommended that I remove the 'a' before 'criticism' and to remove the 'they are'.
Does the ‘a’ mean I made few but significant changes?
I went over it first and made few changes. After that, Grammarly recommended that I remove the 'a' before 'criticism' and to remove the 'they are'.
I went over it first and made a few changes. After that, Grammarly recommended that I remove the 'a' before 'criticism' and to remove the 'they are'.
#1892·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoThat would mean the revise button would be at the top of the idea. But presumably, people would typically want to revise an idea after they finish reading it. Meaning after they reach the bottom.
It could go both ways. Someone may have already read an idea and just wants to revise it, in which case having to scroll to the bottom is cumbersome.
#1891·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoI could turn the ‘Revise…’ button into an icon button that lives next to the collapse icon button. It could just have a pencil for an icon.
That way, the button wouldn’t need to be hidden anymore.
That would mean the revise button would be at the top of the idea. But presumably, people would typically want to revise an idea after they finish reading it. Meaning after they reach the bottom.
#1888·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoThe ‘Revise…’ button is hidden when the comment form is open. It makes sense to hide it because it doesn’t belong in that context. But once hidden, the user has no quick way to revise an idea. Maybe the first thing they want to do after opening
ideas#showis not comment but revise.
I could turn the ‘Revise…’ button into an icon button that lives next to the collapse icon button. It could just have a pencil for an icon.
That way, the button wouldn’t need to be hidden anymore.
Should I be showing the comment form by default on ideas#show?
Should I be showing the comment form by default on ideas#show?
To avoid scrolling past content, I could remove the autofocus on the textarea unless a certain query parameter is given.
#1886·Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months agoShould I be showing the comment form by default on
ideas#show?
The ‘Revise…’ button is hidden when the comment form is open. It makes sense to hide it because it doesn’t belong in that context. But once hidden, the user has no quick way to revise an idea. Maybe the first thing they want to do after opening ideas#show is not comment but revise.