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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1375· Collapse

Am I committing aggression against JK Rowling if I pirate a PDF copy of Harry Potter?

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar

Yes.

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1378· Collapse

Why? I don't get that. She's not losing anything.

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar

You’re violating her rights: specifically, her copyright. That’s an aggression.

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1382· Collapse

Why am I violating her rights?

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar

Because she owns the copyright.

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1384· Collapse

Okay so without referring to current legislation. I understand that it is currently illegal, just like tax evasion, but that won't go far in persuading me that it isn't right.

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Ok let’s rewind the clock and say JK Rowling has finished writing Harry Potter but she hasn’t published it yet.

And she says: I’m going to publish and sell this book on condition that anyone who buys it not distribute it further. They can read it but they can’t redistribute it without my permission.

Those are the terms of publication. It’s a contract. And anyone who buys the book is then bound by the contract.

She would not publish the book otherwise.

She created a value and she wants to trade that value for something specific (money in exchange for reading, not redistributing).

Others are free to take her up on the offer or ignore her.

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1386· Collapse

So it's not me who's pirating the book that is violating her right. It's whoever uploaded it for me to download it, right?

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar

If someone steals a bike and then gifts it to you that doesn’t mean the owner can’t have it back just because you didn’t steal it. Same for copyright.

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1427· Collapse

So then JK Rowling can use violence against me to extort the value that I have supposedly stolen by downloading a book that was uploaded in violation of a contract by a third person?

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar

Not sure that’s extortion but yes, generally speaking, people have the right to use force to prevent and address the arbitrary in social life (#1345).

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Amaro Koberle, 6 months ago·#1429· Collapse

But I was never party to that contract! I never agreed not to distribute it, and I also didn't actually distribute it. I just downloaded it from Pirate bay.

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Dennis Hackethal revised 6 months ago·#1432· Collapse
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Duplicate of #1386. Repeating an argument that has outstanding criticisms doesn’t address the criticisms. You can address the criticisms or revise the argument or abandon the argument.

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Dennis Hackethal revised 6 months ago·#1434· Collapse
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Circular due to #1386.

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