Can qualia be separated from personhood?

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Tyler MillsOP​·​#4736​·​

(1) During the entire 5 seconds, your mind renders the image of the apple.

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(2) The rendering is caused by the running of some number of programs.

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(3) The programs rendering the apple imagery must be looping until stopped, since they could not have advance knowledge of when the stimulus stops.

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(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

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(5) Repeated running of the same fixed program, not being a person, does not make it a person.

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(6) Repeated running of the same fixed program is automatic, requires no creativity, and cannot constitute experience.

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(7) We can be conscious of the apple imagery for the entire 5 seconds.

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PROBLEM: Why are we conscious of the apple rendering? Given (6), why is there an experience of it, if the programs comprising it are looping, and so are therefore predefined?

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SOLUTION: The apple programs give rise to consciousness only in a given context. Only when run a certain way (by a person).

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Tyler MillsOP​·​#4750​·​

This suggests that programs can be “run differently” to result in a different computation. This is false because it violates Substrate Independence: the instantiation of a program is unaffected by its physical implementation. If a “context” changes what the program is computing, then that’s a different program. Suggesting that a person running the apple programs “makes them” conscious therefore is not sound. The programs are either conscious or not. If they were, by (A1), they would be people.

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