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Then you counter-criticize them for whatever you think they lack (which should be easy if they really aren’t good), thus addressing them and restoring the idea.

#2221·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2123·Criticism

Then the idea should be revised to adjust or exclude the criticized part(s).

#2220·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

But sometimes an idea has other content that shouldn’t be thrown out with the bathwater just because of some criticism that applies only to part of it.

#2219·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

… I don’t yet know how to reconcile that, nor do I have a satisfactory alternative theory or criticism to offer.

Do #2140 and its children help as an alternative theory?

#2217·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2215

As a reminder, at some point we will need to do some housekeeping because any criticisms of #2108 are probably also going to be criticisms #2109 and we want an intact criticism chain.

I’m marking this as a criticism so we don’t forget. And when we’re done with the housekeeping, we can say so in a counter-criticism to ‘check off’ that todo item.

#2216·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

… I don’t yet know how to reconcile that, nor do I have a satisfactory alternative theory or criticism to offer.

Does #2140 help as an alternative theory?

#2215·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticized1oustanding criticism

… I don’t yet know how to reconcile that, nor do I have a satisfactory alternative theory or criticism to offer.

You do know criticisms, see #2094.

#2214·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

We can criticize theories for lacking structure, resilience, depth, reach, etc. But again, if we want to avoid justificationism, theories that do have those attributes don’t get points for having them.

#2213·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

[L]abeling explanations as good or bad can itself be a form of positive argument.

Labeling them good, yes. But not labeling them bad.

#2212·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Citations needed.

#2211·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

You retain that freedom. Veritula has no power over you. Being irrational is your prerogative (as long as you don’t violate anyone else’s consent in the process). Just don’t pretend to yourself or others that you’re being rational when you’re not.

#2209·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2206·Criticism

You retain that freedom. Veritula has no power over you. Being irrational is your prerogative (as long as you don’t violate anyone else’s consent in the process).

#2207·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2206·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

You retain that freedom. Veritula has no power over you. Being irrational is your prerogative (as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process).

#2206·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

But I want to remain free to act on whim instead!

#2205·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

That would be a pending criticism.

#2203·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2121·Criticism

Make a reasonable effort to make the criticism explicit so it can be brought into direct conflict with the parent idea and examined further. In the meantime, do consider it a pending criticism and don’t act on the parent idea. You can also submit a placeholder criticism saying something like ‘I have an inexplicit criticism of this idea.’

#2201·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2194

In the neo-Darwinian view, any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals. This view is what Dawkins (IIRC) calls the gene’s eye view, and it applies to ideas as much as it does to genes. Any adaptation of any replicator is primarily in service of this concern.

So I think the answer to your question, “Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates …?”, is ‘yes’.

#2200·Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago

Well, if you were to open the letter anyway, and somebody criticized you for it, you could offer the following counter-criticisms: 1) you cannot be expected to adopt an idea while being prevented from entertaining it; 2) somebody artificially constructed a situation designed to abuse the literal content of the two rules in #2140 in order to violate their intention, which is to promote critical thinking and rationality; 3) just because ideas have no pending criticisms doesn’t mean you don’t get to question those ideas – otherwise no one could ever submit a first criticism.

#2198·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2197·Criticism

Well, if you were to open the letter anyway, and somebody criticized you for it, you could offer the following counter-criticisms: 1) you cannot be expected to adopt an idea while being prevented from entertaining it; 2) somebody constructed a situation designed to abuse the literal content of the two rules in #2140 in order to violate their intention, which is to promote critical thinking and rationality; 3) just because ideas have no pending criticisms doesn’t mean you don’t get to question those ideas – otherwise no one could ever submit a first criticism.

#2197·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

How about I hold this idea to be true: ‘entertaining criticisms is good.’ But I receive a letter purporting to contain a criticism of this idea, and it has a note attached to it stating that it contains such a criticism. Should I open the letter? Assume that it has no pending counter-criticisms. Have we constructed an unreadable letter?

#2195·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2175·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

Make a reasonable effort to make the criticism explicit so it can be brought into direct conflict with the idea and examined further.

#2194·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticized1oustanding criticism

What if I have an inexplicit criticism of the idea?

#2192·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2191

What if I have an inexplicit criticism of the idea?

#2191·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

Yeah, thanks! Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates, or is there more to ideas?

#2190·Erik Orrje, about 1 month ago

Not necessarily. Maybe somebody just forgot to reply or doesn’t know what to say.

#2188·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #2158·Criticism