Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing?

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What do you think of: it’s the fact that the law of the excluded middle that constrains the universe to exist. Nothing can’t exist, so the only alternative that’s left is for something to exist.

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Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 year ago·#525· Collapse

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the latter has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 year ago·#546· Collapse
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Well non-existence, by definition, can’t exist, right? Rules itself out.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#530· Collapse

Is non-existence really existing if there’s nothing at all?

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#532· Collapse

If non-existence is to mean anything at all, I think that’s it, yes.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#533· Collapse

I would be amazed if that is why there is something rather than nothing.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#534· Collapse

That’s not a counterargument - so maybe that’s it, after all.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#535· Collapse

I would think that the solution comes either from physics or from philosophy that comes out of some physical theory.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#536· Collapse

Doesn’t physics presume the existence of physical objects and laws? Ie it presumes the existence of something physical. So it presumes existence itself. In which case physics can’t be the arbiter here.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#537· Collapse

Good point - philosophy, then.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#538· Collapse

Is logic part of philosophy?

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#539· Collapse

Yes (Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#540· Collapse

Since you agree (#539) that logic is part of philosophy, the law of the excluded middle should satisfy you as a philosophical answer, no?

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#541· Collapse

You mean to the question of existence, or in general? Cuz in general I’d think of it as a criticism.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#542· Collapse

To the question of existence.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#543· Collapse

Yes, it should. I am left with no counterargument but a mild sense of dissatisfaction.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#544· Collapse

Inexplicit criticism is good, maybe you can make it explicit someday and we can continue.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#545· Collapse

I’d like that.

And yes inexplicit criticism is good! And not taking infinite criticism is bad. Someone should make a list of understandable pitfalls one ought to avoid when trying to apply critical rationalism.

(Logan Chipkin)

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Ante Škugor, about 1 year ago·#570· Collapse

People use the same argument to "prove" the existence of God. The existence of anything can then be proved simply by including in the definition that it must exist. Example: Dragons must exist because I can define "dragon" as what is traditionally thought of a dragon, plus the claim that it exists.
Also you can't at the same time say that non-existence is ruled out on logical grounds, and then define it as something that's clearly possible, namely the absence of the universe. It's conflating an abstract concept for a physical one.

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Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·#571· Collapse

Please don’t submit multiple criticisms in the same post. Submit one criticism per post only. Familiarize yourself with how Veritula works (#465) before you continue.

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