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I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.

#105·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·Revision of #104·Criticized1oustanding criticism

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right?

#104·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago

Superseded by #102.

#103·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·Criticism

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is forced.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#102·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·Revision of #35·Criticism Battle tested

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#101·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·Criticism

It doesn't matter that he is a physicist, because his thoughts on the subject are of a philosophical/epistemological nature.

#100·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 year ago·Revision of #52·Criticism

Requiring one government per physical territory is an anachronism that Rand retains. Seems unnecessary – see criticisms to #2.

#76·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

One difference between having multiple objectivist countries and having private arbitration services is that the latter can operate in the same territory whereas the former have distinct territories. So this may not be a stolen concept after all.

#75·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

Building on #17 and #22, imagine a world with multiple objectivist countries. Say the US is purely objectivist, and so is England.

Presumably, Rand would see no problem with multiple objectivist countries coexisting. She would consider this state of affairs not only possible but desirable.

Yet how is that state different from the problem she describes in #14? Objectivist countries would be voluntarily financed by voluntary taxation; private arbitration services would be voluntarily financed through voluntary payments as well.

Isn’t this an instance of a stolen concept?

The “stolen concept” fallacy, first identified by Ayn Rand, is the fallacy of using a concept while denying the validity of its genetic roots, i.e., of an earlier concept(s) on which it logically depends.

Rand is using a concept – objectivism, which logically depends on peaceful coexistence of voluntarily financed groups of people – to argue against the possibility of the peaceful coexistence of voluntarily financed groups of people!

#74·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

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#73·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #64

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I fixed the typo that was here previously!

#72·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #64

This is a comment on version 4, but it applies to subsequent versions as well.

#71·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #68

Say you make a tpyo.

You got a typo there!

#70·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

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Say you make a tpyo. Then you can fix it.

#69·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #64·Criticized1oustanding criticism

This is a comment on version 4, but it applies to version 5 as well.

#68·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago

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#67·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #64

This is a comment on version 2.

#66·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago

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#65·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #64

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#64·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago

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#63·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is forced.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#62·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Revision of #35·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

Children are constantly being bossed around at school. So they can't become independent at school.

It's one thing if you don't share my idea of freedom. But the contradiction above should be enough to dissuade you from your original position: if your goal is for the child to think independently, but it chronically fails to do so at school, then school is no good even by your own logic.

#61·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

That's right, which is why the teacher's freedom ends where the child's freedom begins.

#60·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism

The freedom of one person, including a child's, ends where the freedom of another begins.

(Kant)

#59·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·CriticismCriticized1oustanding criticism

Speaking of 'enabling' here makes no sense when young people are actually forced to do what you describe.

Maybe a given young person has no interest in the digital age. Maybe he is more interested in castles and outer space. But teachers prevent him from learning more about those by forcing him to learn "programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology" or whatever else instead.

And the fact remains that it's impossible to teach independent or critical thinking by paternalizing someone for years and telling them what they can do and think, when they may use the bathroom, when they may eat, etc. How could this possibly "emancipate children in the enlightenment sense"? How absurd!

#58·Dennis HackethalOP, over 1 year ago·Criticism