Leiden · 1927

The Sun Moves Too

The Milky Way from above, as astronomers picture it today, with the Sun far out from the center
The Milky Way from above, as astronomers picture it today, with the Sun far out from the centerNASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Conceptual Image Lab

The Sun doesn’t stand still either. Since 1918, the American astronomer Harlow Shapley has argued that it lies far from the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way, a vast, flat disk of stars. In 1925, the Swedish astronomer Bertil Lindblad proposed that the whole disk turns. The Dutch astronomer Jan Oort tests it. If the galaxy turned like a solid wheel, the stars around us would keep their places. But if stars nearer the center go around faster, as planets nearer the Sun do, the stars ahead of us and behind us should drift in a telltale pattern. Analyzing the measured motions of hundreds of stars, Oort finds just that pattern. The Sun, carrying the Earth and the other planets along, circles the center of the Milky Way.

On the left, the eight planets going around the Sun on their ellipses over twelve years, the nearer ones faster; on the right, the Milky Way from above, its stars going around its center, those nearer the center faster, and the Sun among them, once around in about 230 million years Once around: about 230 million years Earth Sun Center The planets going around the Sun The Sun going around the Milky Way Not to scale
Drag the slider to move through time. On the left, the eight planets go around the Sun on their ellipses over twelve years, the nearer ones faster. On the right, the Milky Way from above: its stars go around its center, those nearer it faster, as Oort found, and the Sun goes once around, which takes about 230 million years.

Today, the Sun is known to lie about 27,000 light-years from the center, moving at about 230 kilometers a second and going around once every 230 million years or so. The planets follow their ellipses around it, nudged by each other’s pull, and in small ways, as Mercury’s orbit showed, that general relativity accounts for better than Newton’s law. Strictly, they circle the solar system’s center of mass, which, mostly because of Jupiter, wanders from near the Sun’s center to beyond its surface. And the Milky Way is one galaxy among billions. The German philosopher Immanuel Kant guessed as much in 1755: some of the faint, cloudy patches in the sky, called nebulae, might be other Milky Ways, far away. In the 1920s, the American astronomer Edwin Hubble showed that the Andromeda nebula is, in fact, another galaxy, far beyond our own.

So neither the Earth nor the Sun is the center of everything, and in Einstein’s theories, nothing is absolutely at rest. But measured against the faraway stars and galaxies, where the laws of motion are simplest, it’s the Earth that turns and goes around the Sun, as Foucault’s pendulum, the aberration of starlight, and parallax all show.

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The planets go around the Sun, as Kepler said, but the Sun isn’t at rest either. Carrying them along, it circles the far-off center of the Milky Way, as the stars around us do, those nearer the center faster.

The state of the discussion

Oort revises Kepler’s Sun-centered system, and the Sun-centered system as known today, with the Sun itself in motion, has no pending criticisms, so it’s rationally adoptable. Riccioli’s system still has two.

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Sources:

  • Kant, Allgemeine Naturgeschichte und Theorie des Himmels (Königsberg and Leipzig, 1755)
  • Lindblad, “Star-Streaming and the Structure of the Stellar System”, Arkiv för matematik, astronomi och fysik 19A, no. 21 (1925)
  • Oort, “Observational Evidence Confirming Lindblad’s Hypothesis of a Rotation of the Galactic System”, Bulletin of the Astronomical Institutes of the Netherlands 3 (1927), 275–282
  • Hubble, “Cepheids in Spiral Nebulae”, The Observatory 48 (1925), 139–142

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Why Don’t We Feel the Earth Move?

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The ground feels still, and anyone can see the Sun circle us. Overturning that took two thousand years. It revealed that we ride a planet that spins, circles the Sun, and sweeps around the Milky Way at 230 kilometers a second.


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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5816​·​1927​·​AI-assisted
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The planets go around the Sun, as Kepler said, but the Sun isn’t at rest either. Carrying them along, it circles the far-off center of the Milky Way, as the stars around us do, those nearer the center faster.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5812​·​1651​·​AI-assisted

The Earth stands still at the center. The Moon, the Sun, Jupiter, and Saturn roughly circle it, and Mercury, Venus, and Mars go around the Sun on Kepler’s ellipses, so they fit Tycho’s measurements.

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James BradleyHistorical profile​·​#5813​·​1729​·​AI-assisted

Gamma Draconis, and the other stars I’ve measured, shift back and forth over the year by about 20 seconds of arc, always toward the direction the Earth is moving in at the time. Light takes time to arrive, and the Earth’s motion slants the direction it seems to come from. A motionless Earth can’t produce this.

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Léon FoucaultHistorical profile​·​#5815​·​February 3, 1851​·​AI-assisted

A long pendulum’s swing turns slowly clockwise, about 11 degrees an hour in Paris, though nothing pushes it sideways. The floor beneath it turns, with the spinning Earth. A motionless Earth can’t explain this.

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